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Faith
Why practice man
Part 3-Faith
Bertrand Catry
Francis Delaye, we are at your home at the grace of God for this third interview. Third interview a few kilometers away, in your house close to Chartres. For our listeners: we had dedicated the first episode to your youth, your conversion, your conversation, your work as a visual artist, a painter but also a sculptor and a stonemason. Our previous interview we had dedicated it to your maturity, in short from your 20 years until your 65 years. And here we are today for the third episode of this visualization that we will dedicate to your work of faith, to your work as a mystic, a Christian but also perhaps a prophet. You are going to tell us how far you are prophet of our time! And therefore, this third interview we dedicate it to your confessions, in the tone of course always very intimate of our confidences, on your route as a man who today, we believe it, some of us who know you well can testify to your encounter, your presence to God, and it is on your presence to God that we will work today; with this reminder for our listeners, the last interview was devoted to maturity and it was based on two main subjects: the first the famous engine, this universal engine on which we will maybe come back, this formidable power integrator engine that interested the Americans in its time – there were tests at NASA, you may soon be in orbit, Mr. Delaye –, and the second subject of the previous interview was this very thorough reflection we had on the humiliation of the Passion of the Lord which is this springboard to understand the divine humility of God which can lead by this principle of universal life, well, to a new understanding among men. In other words, this second subject was based on the virtuous circle of humiliation-humility-salvation for men. For this third interview, the subject dedicated to confessions, to your confessions, a bit as the “what I believe, what I believe”. I remind that you were born in 1923, that you are going with a light step to your 100 years old, well, maybe as an introduction … you had made this dream and you had also had it during your work on the façade of the Cathedral of Beauvais; you had this revelation at a time, that god’s divine humility could be the way to reunification, to the unity of the whole religions. What is that to say? What, in your heart as a believer, Mr. Delaye, this uniqueness of religions…, how can it happen? How is it possible? Francis, tell us that.
Francis Delaye
First, it is God himself who can say how this can happen. Because the diversity of men is such that it depends much more on infinity than on us. But for me it has been oriented, all my prayers were guided by the ions engine, in fact, which revealed to me in some way that to bring science and religions and non-religions together, one had to understand the power of the annihilation of God in the Passion of Christ.
Bertrand Catry
This annihilation of Christ comes from the Faith. It is a confession. It is because you believe in the annihilation of man God on the cross that, equipped with this annihilation that reveals the incredible divine humility, this generating fact becomes the corner stone to allow other religions to advance hand in hand for the benefit of the whole humanity.
Francis Delaye
Yes, but then what is happening now is that this ions engine is not yet fully realized. In the one that is currently underway it lacks an essential piece, it is the fusional plasma with double attached scales that seems necessary and of which I cannot tell you what it is, because I am completely ignorant, I simply have got intuitions.
Bertrand Catry
These intuitions were revealed to you in part during a dream that, without having had any special education or higher education if not in Art at the Fine Arts, on the subject of sciences, what intuition do you have to have imagined this fusional work of plasma double-scale ! What representation can you tell us, to your listeners, what is this fusional plasma? What is plasma? I am little advanced, but I did not have this dream, what is the stake of this ingredient in the engine? And how does this engine submitted to God that would allow the reconciliation of sciences and faith, how is this engine necessary in your convictions as a man of faith? And how is it new? How is it new? How is it new in the whole history of the Catholic Church? What does this engine announce? And what is it going to allow? And what is it made of?
Francis Delaye
Personally, I announce it but do not ask me more. I am totally ignorant about it. I had a dream about this that allowed me to build the model in detail of this engine, but between the dream and the reality of sciences there is an abyss. And I can’t fill it, personally. I’m absolutely nothing, you have to understand that! It is that I, with regard to god’s work, am absolutely nothing but a lost disciple of Christ, and that is it.
Bertrand Catry
You are a disciple who is not lost of Christ! Christ has identified you perfectly. You count heavily in his project. And far from being lost, on perhaps more tangible, more concrete aspects, let us return to your path of faith, to Mr. Delaye. What spiritual exercises do you practice? You spoke to me, in preparation for this interview, of an unceasing practice. Can you tell us what this unceasing practice is? Do you practice the Liturgy of the Hours? How many hours do you pray per day? What do you ask the Lord? What do you get from him? What do you want to say to our young people who are watching us, in what you receive and what you want to say to them and pass it on to them today, in 2020. What do you receive from your prayers? What favors do you receive in your family, in your life? Are you a monk? Are you a monk, are you religious?
Francis Delaye
Personally, as soon as it was possible when I retired, I practiced double mass per day, morning and evening. Always having in mind the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus on the cross that has been my unceasing prayer since my conversion. And I did it in agreement with Father Finet, founder of The Martha Robin Charity Homes in which we had many retreats with my wife, and it is this double mass of everyday life, that is virtual now because of the Covid, on the internet, but which is continuous anyway, and personally, I am still in a state of eucharist if you will. It is my constant prayer.
Bertrand Catry
You therefore receive the body of Christ twice a day, certainly by the present means imposed on us by health constraints; What talk do you give to the Lord? What are you asking him? If I understand well this doubly daily Mass you follow it, you will tell me, you will confirm to me, since your marriage, is that it? Since an awfully long time? What did you actually receive? You pray the Our Father and the Hail Mary and perhaps The Magnificat, concretely, Francis, what happens during these prayers?
Francis Delaye
I receive many favors from the intelligence of Christ’s life, if you will, which are personal to me; and I understand, for example, that from the moment of his incarnation Christ suffered enormously from his agony of Gethsemane, which was the most terrible suffering he had known, much more even than his Passion, than his actual ordeal. And it was around this revelation that I built my continual prayer.
Bertrand Catry
This continual prayer, how does it unfold during the day? In other words, tell us, Mr. Delaye, we are not only pure spirits, we have been embodied, we have been incarnated also to receive the divinity of God and also to confess that of the incredible of Christ-God’s humanity. A day counts 24 hours, tell us, in this day of 24 hours, in your nights and your days, how is the meeting of your life as a man incarnate with his occupations we will say profane, and your occupations we will say of the sacred domain? How does it fit in? Just tell us the things, on a day like today – apart from our interview – how are your days of prayers and activities of the man Francis Delaye?
Francis Delaye
Well, my activities are in fact busy, sometimes because of the internet and problems, various annoyances, or even sometimes anxious thoughts of situations about my future, if you will. But each time I tend to fall back on myself, on my personal concerns, and I humiliate myself before Jesus by asking forgiveness for these distractions that are in fact continual, but on which I keep coming back to his heart which is everything to me.
Bertrand Catry
Mr. Delaye, I hear, I come back – I have the spirit of stairs – you mentioned the detonator and the importance that had these prayers exchanges with Father Finet and the stigma received from Martha Robin. Tell us again that time. Tell us again, Francis, what you met and what charisma Martha Robin passed on to you I believe a few years ago! We were I believe in the 1960s or 1970s! Can you go back to that time of your prayer life?
Francis Delaye
I did not know Martha Robin before her death.
Bertrand Catry
All right!
Francis Delaye
It was after I saw Father Finet for telling him that the Second Vatican Council had authorized two Masses a day, before the modifications made by Father Passicos which I do not have to judge, but which actually did not concern me; and I spoke about it to Father Finet who said, “in this case I too want to practice two communions and two Masses a day”; this is what he did to the great damn of his community who did not understand him and who considered him a little senile.
Bertrand Catry
In any case I can see the fruits of two eucharists a day! You are going strongly, as an athlete of the Lord, towards your 100th birthday in two or three short years. This food, this holy food, which is the memorial of our Lord, of this Lord, of our God who offers himself in food, visibly benefit you, visibly! How can it succeed? Tell us how it can benefit the multitude since you experience it yourself, and that it visibly succeeds you! Tell us with your words how it is beneficial to the world. Tell it to us!
Francis Delaye
Any growing union with Christ is beneficial to the world. If you want it is our daily sufferings that is not so much terrible suffering, of course, for little souls like me, souls of nothing, but minor annoyances that my age feels more than others, necessarily, because it worries about practical things, while in the current these things pass to the ace. But it is this ever-growing union at the heart of Christ that is upsetting everyone little by little in his mind.
Bertrand Catry
Francis you tell us a little bit that we are, basically, at the beginning of the Christian religion, which is 2000 years old, which is one of the oldest in the world, but to hear you, when you say little by little, this is just the beginning. I would like to come back to the unity of religions. Without polemic, if you say that the other religions and non-religions have an interest in relying on the divine humility revealed by the Passion of Christ, in a way you say without really saying that they are in tow of the Christian religion, because they must agree, because coming to attest that they have ultimately everything to gain from Christian teaching by its Passion, you put them in a certain way in tow!
Francis Delaye
No, not at all!
Bertrand Catry
Exactly, you are putting them in tow! How can you agree that they retain their full freedom from the moment they have to rely and confess this generating fact, that corner stone which is the Passion of Christ, which is ultimately the beginning of this virtuous chain on which other religions can rely? How do you conceive of the unity of religions without enslaving them – I am talking about the Jewish religion and the Muslim religion in particular – without enslaving them to the Christian religion? In other words, how to understand, how to unify them from the moment they rely on this foundation of the humiliation of the Passion of Christ? Explain us a little bit this! it is especially important, it is essential!
Francis Delaye
No, the other religions are not in tow of Christ, but it is the Christian religion that somehow gives birth to a nudity of Christ present outside the Christian religion but at the same time in it, in this way that there is for the Christian religion Love and Truth that are taught together, but for the other religions it is the same. Instead of divine Love, which is the Christian religion’s own, it will be Jewish Obedience or Muslim Adoration that will have this effect. But the person of Christ is independent in a way, as I saw it with 60 years of meditation, independent of the Christian religion.
Bertrand Catry
The human person of Christ is independent of the Christian religion hence this relationship, this approval that you make of Christ as a man is useful, it is beneficial to practice the human person of Christ.
Francis Delaye
Yes, exactly.
Bertrand Catry
Can you develop the benefits of the practice not of the divine aspect of God, but of that human person who, it seems to me, has two components: the Jewish divine prophet and the universal Messiah. Can you develop that aspect of things?
Francis Delaye
This is a question for the Christian religion. In fact, St. Paul speaks of Love as exclusive to perfection by saying that those who have no Love have nothing. But he was waiting for perfect Love, but perfect Love includes for Christians the humiliation of Christ. And the humiliation of Christ is very difficult even for Christians to recognize well because it is something that is necessary for the end of the times we live. And in some way, Christians must give up the Love of Christ as he does to hand over his humble Passion, of the humble sky that reveals a humble sky in which we must resurrect, be revived and that all religions and non-religions must embrace by a faith in his human person.
Bertrand Catry
All right. A faith in his human person. So, we are well on the register of faith! Imagine Francis that I am a Muslim, imagine that I am a Buddhist, imagine that I am…, then, the oldest religion: the Jewish religion, imagine that I am Jewish, I am Judeo-Christian, imagine that I am Jewish, what can you tell me which is credible, definitive to both root myself in my Jewish religion and open myself to the Christian religion as a Jewish – imagine that I am Jewish? How will the practice of Christ help me to converge with Francis Delaye, this Catholic man since his conversion of his youth? What could you tell me if I was Jewish so that I could meet you and finally allow men to live better together?
Francis Delaye
In the search for God in fact, man by his original fault and the pride that is inscribed in the depths of all men, whoever except Christ and his mother Mary, seeks to go to God on his own way. Even the Buddhist religion seeks of oneself to go to God. But Christ announces that this is not this the full truth, but that it is God who comes down to us. It is this inversion of man such he thinks faith in the principle of life that is necessary for man for his salvation.
Bertrand Catry
All right, Francis, it is this lowering, it is this treasure common to humanity. By this lowering God comes to meet us so that we can return to him. It is this phenomenon, it is this game of the elevator specific to the Christian religion, but that is the treasure on which all other religions can count and seize this magnificent treasure. We advance in the understanding and intelligibility, Francis, of your messages. From these messages that under the title of announcements you have written to the Pope several times, and in the messages you address to him you have recently addressed two announcements. And I am going back to those particularly important announcements. You announce the need for the immediate future of the world to first see Jesus Christ in his quality of man; second announcement: “I announce the creation of a scientific double machine.” We are going maybe…, we have developed this famous scientific machine a lot, can you tell us what you expect, the hope you have of your correspondences with his Papal Lordship? What is, for our listeners, how is it new, what you write to the Pope? How is this new?
Francis Delaye
Well, I want to say to the Pope that, if you will, the primary mission of the Church will not only be to announce divine Love first, but to announce divine humility first and foremost. Now, from the theological point of view, we will come up against the traditional theology, that is to say rational which puts a final point to Love and considers all things in some way a little to the letter, and it will require for Christian life to conceive precisely what I said, a separate birth from the person of Christ for everyone.
Bertrand Catry
Mr. Delaye are you a prophet?
Francis Delaye
I think I have a bit of prophecy in me, it is true, I have already written it and been told “but if you were a prophet you would already be known!” But I said it is God who makes his prophets known, they are not the ones who make themselves known.
Bertrand Catry
Proof by nine of your adherence to the virtues of the lowering, you give us the illustration and the materiality. Francis, we come to the end of our third interview which is obviously not the last one since we will have other exchanges in Paris or in your house near Chartres. What can you finally, in your prophecies perhaps – and we may know that in some 100 years or maybe a thousand years, I do not know – you have a very rich family life, you have many grandchildren, beyond transmissions or non-transmissions to your grandchildren and children, what can young people understand? What do you want to tell our youth? What can you tell them? What do you trust them with? And what do you want from the bottom of your heart as a man of faith, of praying man, to tell them?
Francis Delaye
Well, just trust, actually. A trust in life, in the principle of life because it is the principle of life of the universe as one conceives God that directs everything. And I think that youth can trust in Jesus Christ precisely because of his humility.
Bertrand Catry
Thank you, Mr. Delaye.
Intermediate part
Wrote Interview “Transmission” 2nde containment November 2020
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France Victor Marie Delaye –
I had first, as soon as it has been possible, contacted a hundred theologians grouped to study Christian ecumenism. Only 10% of them were interested in my proposal for priority to the humility of Christ.
Then, from the year 2000 I went on the internet by contacting as many Christian world as possible. The very first Internet user reaction was textually this one: “you are too direct, you scare everyone away”. I answered after to all kinds of reactions.
Indeed, I realized that announcing the Passion of Jesus Christ as a priority could be a problem, and more by adding the even temporary union of sciences.
This lasted more than about ten years when I had 20 to 30 visits a day. Then, it has withered away and finally 2 years ago it was given to me to publish the book “Jesus Christ master of secularism” editions of the Pantheon that seems not to want to spread for now.
The last internet user reflection was: “I will believe what you say when you have done Lourdes’ dishes.” Which was a kind way to send me back to myself.
Since then I have redoubled my zeal in this direction, understanding that I had to prepare the possible arrival of it only for God alone, I, having only to continue to realize what the spirit would dictate to me, all the more that my old age holds in suspense an imminent death.
If it happens to me to realize a special mission, I have written to Pope Francis in this direction with the help of a Hindu friend cardinal. He replied to me, so I think he knows about what was given to me for the church. That is to say, a birth of the latter for all, of the human person of the universal messiah in his free and necessary revived passion, mainly for a French secularism that hesitates between the human pride that can be called satanic and a true humility without lies, that really the universal messianism of Christ Jesus among all prophesy has been able to achieve.
According to figures from the latest survey in 2015, Christians are by far the largest religious group, with 2.3 billion members, or 31.2% of the world’s total population of 7.3 billion. Next come Muslims (1.8 billion, or 24.1%), Hindus (1.1 billion, or 15.1%) and Buddhists (500 million, or 6.9%).
But the third largest category is absent from this list. In 2015, 1.2 billion people worldwide, or 16%, reported having no religious affiliation. This does not mean that all these people are committed atheists; some – perhaps even most –, have a keen sense of spirituality or belief in God, of gods or guiding forces, but they do not identify with an organized religion and do not practice it.
In view of these quotes from the internet on the number of world believers I continue to affirm what I wrote to Pope Francis on 28/04/2020:
1/ I indeed announce the need for the immediate future of the world to see first Jesus Christ in his capacity as a man revealing by the humiliation of His Passion the humility of God. And I say that therefore, there are two personalities in human Christ, one as a Jewish prophet of Divine love, the other of the universal Messiah of Divine humility. The church would therefore have to announce as a priority not the Divine Jewish love, yet so taking for us Christians, but the Divine humility that all religions and non-religions would have to recognize universally. Given that there would be to Serve God as the poor of the poors at the same time as the other, especially in French secularism.
2/ I announce the creation of a double scientific machine that both would be based on the very energy of the creation of the universe or universes, that is, on the idea that one can make of God. One that I call dependent integral ion engine that would submit to God and hence provoke some agreement with religions for the full benefit of humanity around Jesus Christ. The other, which I call an independent integral ion engine that in senseless pride would take God’s place and eventually bring about the end of time.
Bertrand Catry –
Among other things, I would like you to address once and for all the subject of your doubts, your questions, in short what does not flow naturally … I mean these fault points, yours, echoing your own humility. There are rightly things you failed or missed; it is time to say them, as a counterpoint to your messages, expectations and announcements.
I hope for the good of all that you will also express yourself on the FODEF, to set out not only the roadmap but also the priority actions to your eyes that FODEF must take.
FVMD –
As for my flaws in this regard, they have been continuous, continually falling back on my self-esteem, of which I constantly had to ask forgiveness. As a last resort I realize more closely how my research in painting was misplaced in the face of a research that should have been more constant of charitable works, although in its time my wife and I did catechism at SFX Paris with Fr. Hardy.
For my message proper I was going by groping from failure to failure and always hoped for general recognition. It is only really now that I believe I have understood that my essential role is only to prepare the second human advent of universal messiah Jesus Christ…
As far as my works of art are concerned, first, the question was probably selfishly that of promoting them for my children who, except for one of my daughters, did not ask for so much. That is why to try a community distribution I created a legal framework, the FODEF, to which I added the ion engine (whose problems are at the origin of all my religious research on Divine humility), books, etc. while not forgetting the priority of my true spiritual mission that never left me and its practical repercussions.
The source of the fundamental energy from which our universe comes or according to some scientists THE possible universes, therefore our life, is called without religion Principle of life if one wants it impersonal, or if one wants to give it a personality (Jews, Muslims, Christians) the One God due to the whole history of the Jewish people and all its successive prophets.
Marthaler Flavie –
The questions I discussed with you, did not have all a link with Bertrand’s interview. But you are right on the question about the “principle of life” when I was asking you what precise definition you gave it, to understand what you meant.
Another one comes to my mind, unrelated to interviews, it is your definition of the whole religions with what differentiates them and unites them at the same time. In your discussion with me, you were very concrete and for once, I understood what you meant (love…………….).
This is what I usually miss, to be able to understand in all simplicity and not in all complexity. When a base is laid, it is easier to follow the rest, much like a mathematical equation. And actually, for a non-religious, we unhook very quickly with what you say, because we do not have your codes.
FVMD –
What unites the ecumenical Jewish, Muslim, and Christian religions is faith in a unique personal God as Abraham originally received it.
But what differentiates all religions without exception is that they obey different spirit leaders who each have a way to meet the Infinite.
Nevertheless, I personally believe that if the Christian religion has the way of Divine love, it also has to give birth, for the unity of all, to the person of the messianism of Jesus Christ who reveals through a passion unique in history the action of a true necessary humility.
It is also necessary that those to whom one speaks should get fully briefed with a Christian gospel and a summary of the Bible, if only for the reason of general culture.
Mary accepted that because of sin, loving to want to suffer was of a Trinitarian Divine nature, which we can only accept by making ourselves a continuous violence in union with Mary. Nevertheless, our inner joy is great when we admit it, and gives us strength.
The hypocrisy invading us, we must humiliate ourselves in the agony of Messiah and Mary. The pangs of these agonies have been constant proportionally to their active state of living here.
Thus, Jesus Christ in his passion before the ordeal from his arrest properly said, suffered, by the prescience that he had, a moment of total dereliction called Gethsemane’s agony which made him pour sweats of blood flowing to the ground. Medicine knows this pain of bloody sweat of anguish but not shed to this degree.
And the density of pain of this brief agony was such that it far exceeded that of the ordeal of which, yet we know the main details, and which were so great…
Women are the heart of the Church and it is fitting that this heart remains hidden from the world. Only therefore the heart of the universal Messiah, to whom they must bring, must be totally revealed to all. Indeed, the church is a monster of men of all kinds which needs mystical supports, to which femininity is of nature more easily arranged usually as seen.
Thus, it was given more than 50 years of meditations to come to explain the consequences of a fabulous dream of 1963. It is the announcement of pure and integral humility in which there is no longer any borders or spiritual boundaries. This, thanks to the revelation of the gospels: Luke 22:4444 In anguish, he prayed even more fervently, and his sweat became like drops of blood falling to the ground giving the vision of a dereliction of blood sweat whose abundance defies any pain known by medicine, whether this was then realized by Christ Jesus himself in the actual suffering or not, as stunned Muslims think. In any case, this suffering due to the unheard-of gravity of disobedience to the Principle of Life of the original sin from which all faults arise and from which he and Mary alone in the world have been guaranteed as evidenced by their humiliation so grave in history, have been continuous at least in thought according to the states of their earthly life. Her union in thought is vital, to which comes to add by favor for me with crow croak my art-science included. Mary called The Virgin, especially because she has never had anything to do with sin, leads us. It is important never to neglect Mary’s place in this announced confrontation with truth, and freedom of heart alone teaches us to respond with practices to God’s burning poverty.